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Originally posted by poobs I think that person was making a point about Seb's posts and maybe thinking they're boring, so if the board was made up of people like Seb, who happens to be Canadian, then it would be boring? That's what I got out of it anyways..:duh:

I was having fun with what people perceive Canadians, pot smoking, beer drinking, tree hugging, gay loving, igloo living people.

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Originally posted by Neuwave I voted this time, because I thought it was going to matter, but seriously, I haven't voted since 92', and that was when I was all young & gung ho about shit, and since then I totally could give a fuck, but now it's official. No more voting for me. Such a waste of time & energy.

Why would you say that? California went to Kerry because of voters like you..I could be saying the same thing..My vote didn't matter since I'm in Cali..I knew Bush wouldn't win the state..It doesn't discourage me from voting though..I did my part and that's all that matters, win or lose..

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Originally posted by Seb I was having fun with what people perceive Canadians, pot smoking, beer drinking, tree hugging, gay loving, igloo living people.

I just think of Canadians as people who say "Take off you hoser" and "eh" all the time..

I'm with Poobs -- Bush does indeed seem to speak for the majority of Americans. It's a majority by a fairly slim margin, but a majority nonetheless.

That's why someone like me -- a person who found the actions of the Bush administration absolutely deplorable -- needs to start reevaluating my place in the United States. Do I belong in a country that is operated in a way that runs completely counter to my own values?

It's a bit of a Catch-22. Like Neuwave said, California is something of an anomaly. I like the progressive politics in California, even if they are often the product of trendiness and celebrity bandwagoning. But California can only do so much to stem the tide of the growing right-wing, Christian, conservative movement in this country.

Do I want to continue living in a country in which the laws are informed by Christian dogma (despite constitutional assurances that church and state will remain separate)? Do I want to continue living in a country that engages in barbaric warfare, to the dismay of much of the rest of the world? Do I want to live in a country run by a corporate spokesperson?

I really don't know. "Four more years" is a long time, and at this point, the fight to change this place seems kinda futile. Bush drove the economy into the ground, facilitated the deaths of hundreds of American sodliers, ordered the murder of Iraqi women and children, revoked countless civil liberties, and the majority of America apparently loves him for it. It's hard to imagine a worse presidency than Bush's first term but nevertheless, the people of this country signed on for another four years of it.

Maybe I should just move to Sweden?

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Originally posted by Neuwave I voted this time, because I thought it was going to matter, but seriously, I haven't voted since 92', and that was when I was all young & gung ho about shit, and since then I totally could give a fuck, but now it's official. No more voting for me. Such a waste of time & energy.

The hell?

If I start calling anyone names here, it's going to be to you, because of this.

Neu come here so can easily influence you

Neu you may actually make it to 1000 with all this politic talk. Keep up the good work buddy.

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The hell? If I start calling anyone names here, it's going to be to you, because of this.

Well? I dunno. That's the way I feel sometime.

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Neu come here so can easily influence you

ok :D :P



[Edited on 4-11-2004 by Neuwave]

I know, I feel at a loss too, that's understandable.

But that doesn't mean I'm defeated.

Reducing discrimination, protecting our liberties, all that stuff I said in an earlier post--dammit, these are battles that have to be fought. It's a huge uphill battle now, for sure... and getting worse. That's why I'm so angry about the election.

The least everyone can do is vote every year and try to make it slightly easier for those of us who want to fight hard for those rights.

Anyways that's all I'm going to say on this, because I'm starting to repeat myself. Fight the power.

Anyone feel strongly about any of the propositions?

I was propositioned once.

Just for the record, I only claimed hatred for the president and his administration, not the rebuplican party as a whole, or the people who voted for Bush, or especially not Poobs!

You are truly the best Batcave, always making me laugh.

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Originally posted by RiffRaff But California can only do so much to stem the tide of the growing right-wing, Christian, conservative movement in this country. Do I want to continue living in a country in which the laws are informed by Christian dogma (despite constitutional assurances that church and state will remain separate)? Do I want to continue living in a country that engages in barbaric warfare, to the dismay of much of the rest of the world? Do I want to live in a country run by a corporate spokesperson?

I agree and fully understand

hey sorry it was me that called them hicks, and i didn't mean that only people voting for bush are hicks, becasue i know alot of very intellegent people voting for him, i mean heck my parents did. but i am just saying that ithink the election would have turned out differently if the REAL hicks weren't aloud to vote, i didn't mean that anyone on here is a hick becuase hicks listen to country and if you are listening to IMA robot your probably not so out back hick person. and as for the "run on sentences" i didn't think that i was writing an essay i was just trying to hurry and get my point across. again i didn't mean that anyone on here was a hick.

I'm not a hick. Ima Redneck :D

there is a huge difference there my stepdad is a redneck. . . . . sadly i am related to alot of them. . . . . .not that thats a sad thing. . . . . .:D :D

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Originally posted by minimandy14 and as for the "run on sentences" i didn't think that i was writing an essay i was just trying to hurry and get my point across.

what's the rush? punctuation is quite helpful. i suggest you start using it more often.

does it really bother people that much that i don't use proper punctuation on my posts?

yup.

It just makes your posts harder to read, which will make me not bother reading them and I'm sure you have a million interesting things to say..

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Originally posted by EvilMotivator yup.

Nice and short and to the point..You don't mess around, Evil..

. . . .. . FINE! I do have alot of interesting things to say. Is that why no one ever bothers to respond to my posts?

i feel conflict in this forum...
sorry if i called anyone ignorant... (saying the majority, no one in particular)
i respect your opinions...

. . . . . .just speaking my mind, usually people pay no attention to it, so I didn't think that anyone on here would.